But then we got to talking about money – about making it.
He admitted that for charities, making money online remains incredibly difficult.
He agreed that online media were undoubtedly a great way to enrich a supporters’ experience, and so perhaps increase their lifetime value.
In fact, at the agency I work at we do quite a lot of work in this area, creating online opportunities for donors to develop a stronger relationship with the cause they’re supporting.
But we’ve a long heritage in fundraising. We know how it works, we know how to engage and motivate our audiences. And we’re ‘media neutral’, so we can recommend the media mix that’s going to work best.
But there are a lot of start-up digital agencies (with a vested interest in online) who are pushing digital as the main channel that charities should be putting their time and and money into.
And social media – how they love to bang on about that. I’ve just read another hyperbolic article from a digital agency saying ‘any company that doesn’t have a Twitter strategy will get left behind’.
Really? Two small points:
1: Here today...
ITV bought Friends Reunited for £175 million. Then sold it less than four years later.
For £25 million.
In other words, a one-way ticket on that particular bandwagon cost them £150,000,000.
Ok, that was a soft target. Everyone knows Friends Reunited is old news. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube – they’re the big successes. Aren’t they?
Well, for their founders, perhaps – Facebook’s co-founder is the youngest-ever self-made billionaire.
But the phenomenon he created actually loses money. Big buckets of it. Its electricity bill alone is estimated at around £600,000. A month.

Twitter loses millions too. Only rivers of cash from venture capitalists keep it flowing. Though for how long is anyone’s guess.
And YouTube is apparently going to lose about 300 million quid this year.
Now, I’m not a genius economist (actually, there don’t seem to be any genius economists right now). But I do know that no business can lose that kind of money forever. Either they’ll have to close one day, or they’ll have to drastically change their business model in order to make money.
And who knows what effect that will have. MySpace plastered itself with ads to become profitable – and has been shedding users at a frightening rate ever since.
2: The culture of free.
One thing all the users of these sites have in common is that they like getting it for free. More than that: they expect it to be free.
That’s why most Spotify users choose the free version rather than the (very reasonably priced) paid-for service. And why Spotify is yet another popular online service that loses money.
So what happens when you try and get that audience to pay for something? Or, in the case of a charity, ask them for a donation?
The answer is, it’s really hard.
Like I said, despite the huge audiences on those sites, the digital guy I spoke to didn’t know of a single example of where social media was proving a significant way of recruiting people who go on to become genuine, valuable donors.
But I’ve lots of examples of how that’s still being done – very, very successfully – using so-called ‘traditional’ media.